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RFC News Prestia, Morris impress at Monday training

Discussion in 'Richmond Ramblings' started by Ned, Jan 10, 2017.

  1. Ned

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    Richmond recruit Dion Prestia has turned in an impressive display on the track as the Tigers resumed training on Monday.

    Continue reading...
     
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    The new Puma training gear looks... awesome.
     
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    Why did they persist with these fluff pieces? Do they think there are supporters out there that still care?

    The only performance measure that counts is performance in games where 4 points are up for grabs and in finals.
     
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    Apparently Hardwick coached really well too .. :rolleyes:
    Though the following Wednesday training must have been crap Gracie.... have heard nothing ... or maybe you have given them the message ...
     
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    Not sure they listen.....haven't done so to date......but that is consistency or should that be stability?
     
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    I'm happy to read about Prestia's progress from surgery. I can't see Morris being in our best 22 but I'm not surprised he's back into running earlier than expected.
     
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    Yep no one can say Morris doesn't work hard. That is undoubted.
     
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    Morris was a victim of the coach's insecurity.

    Let him play in the position he has shown he is capable in - as a negating defender - and he can be valuable.
     
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    Yep in the VFL
     
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    People forget what a good and critical player he was in 2013.

    Small forwards dined out on us for years and he became arguably the best player in the comp at stopping them.

    Was in the top handful of defenders for least goals conceded for the season, 7th in the B and F and won the AFLPA most courageous player award.

    It was an elite year.

    2014 he was less effective but he sustained an injury in the pre-season that required a shoulder reco and he carried it every week. I can't think of anything tougher an AFL player could do than that.

    Then in 2015, our poor coach, self conscious about his lack of tactical nous, did what he has consistently done.

    Sat down in the preseason and decided he was going to innovate. Cue the articles with hushed whispers about the 'new role' for Morris and the incredible anticipation in the pre-season matches.

    Then as it always does, it went pear shaped because it was a blatantly crap idea to start with, lasted just long enough to ruin the players confidence, destroy the established structures and then be abandoned.

    I hope our new coach gives Morris first crack at being the small defender in 2018. If he can maintain his speed and agility after the reco then he still has a lot to offer - in his role.
     
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    Morris had just started playing good footy again before his injury. I reckon he will prove useful this year.
     
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    Yep, as the crash dummy in the tackling training drills ....
     
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    Had to forget something that I never thought....

    I do have recollections of mid-air planking at speed ...
     
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    H'mmm, of all the RFC players who played 16 games or more in 2013 (there were 19 of them) .... Morris, who played 22 games had the least amount of tackles... less than 2 a game.
    Perceptions are interesting to say the least.

    He probably had the most dives though.
     
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    my thoughts on Morris
    brilliant acquisition at the time , gave us some oomph right when we really needed it

    did worry he would over commit to contests and would lose his feet more than others
    when he was playing well these points weren't a worry , when his form slipped a little it left holes in our defence

    When tried up forward I did believe it was because he was displaced by more skilful players , I think Vlas might have been a key one
    trying to use his kamikaze style to advantage in the forward line which was then minus Jake King was well worth a shot
    but the coaching issue was how long the experiment continued
    it didn't suit him from the get go
    giving something a try - tick
    knowing when to call an end to it - cross

    it was pleasing to see him play well again , in the back line again, as no one doubts his commitment and capacity for pain tolerance
    and of course , just as he was getting some poise back (not all bash and crash) bang goes the knee :-(

    with ball in hand he's probably not in our top 22

    when he's running at a 50/50 contest or an opponent with the ball he probably is in our top 22
     
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    I don't see the relevance of his tackling stats?

    The small defender's job is to keep the small forward out of the game. He did that exceptionally.

    Besides if you're playing on Eddie Betts do you try and tackle him or try and coral him? Unless you want to be stepped around and watch him stroll into an open goal you probably take option B.
     
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    :rolleyes:

    You don't think tackling is a major part of the role of defense :eek::eek::eek:

    So let's look at the 3 Morris v Betts games in 2013...
    EB - 45 disposals, 5 goals, 13 tackles.
    SM - 27 disposals, 3 tackles..

    Or did he play on Garlett? (Only 2 games)
    JG - 22 disposals, 4 goals, 5 tackles.
    SM - 12 disposals, 2 tackles...

    Morris is a liability... in any year.
     
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    This conversation is becoming a little weird now.

    My recollection (and the threads at the times seem to support it) is Morris played 100% on Betts.

    We played Carlton 3 times and Betts was goalless in the other.

    So he kept him to 5 goals in 3 games. Pretty good for mine.

    Probably would have had an easier time in the final if the senior coach didn't decide it was a good idea to let Chris Judd do as he pleased by the way.

    As for the tackling, yes, I would absolutely expect that a small forward would have more tackles than a small defender.

    Small forwards are instructed to chase and tackle when the opposition has the ball to give a better chance of winning the ball up the ground and to prevent the defenders being able to flow up the ground with the ball.

    Defenders on the other hand are instructed to zone, defend space and not over commit to a tackle.

    It's a simple enough philosophy, one-on-one AFL players are almost impossible to tackle from a head on starting point. The percentages say the forward will go around the defender and have an easier shot on goal.

    The AA defenders last year:

    Rampe: AFL #390 for average tackles.
    McGovern: AFL #578
    Rance: AFL #432
    Shaw: AFL #264
    Talia: AFL #505
    Enright: AFL #292

    There are plenty of weaknesses in his game but a lack of tackling is way down the list.

    And despite all of those weaknesses it is impossible to argue that he didn't have an very good year in 2013.

    By the way, i checked and he was AFL second in the least goals conceded for defenders that year.
     
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    And the problem we have had is too many players having one good year then three poor years.

    Suppose it is better than 12 years ago when no one was having a good year... outside of Richo of course.
     
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    That takes us back to the first point, 2014 was ruined by a shoulder that needed a reco and I can't think of a harder injury for an AFL player to play with, and then 2015 was ruined by the coach.

    There's mounting case that a large group of our players, led by Morris and Riewoldt, should launch a class action.
     
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